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  Possible new light on 70 years

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i may be reading more into this than is there, but here is what i've spotted from today's watchtower study (oct 2016 study edition) page 14 paragraph 8. concerning daniel it says "thus, some 70 years after his arrival in babylon, he was still known by his hebrew name" referring to an event in the first year of darius ie 539/538 bce.

  however, according to the wtbts chronology daniel went to babylon in 617 bce - more like 80 years earlier.

  could this (finally) be a step towards ditching 607?.

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  The book called Daniel is a historical fictional novel written in the middle of the second century BCE. Being written in the first person, it convinces the gullible that Daniel was both real and contemporary to the events described. The text takes a spin on events which had already happened hundreds of years before as imagined in Babylon but referred in part to the prevailing Persian politics. The surest way to write prophecy is after the event!

  The JW organisation as 'God's only channel' has had nothing on which to claim divine attention except to predict 1914. It never did foretell WW1 but the year when paradise would arrive, so it is a dishonest boast anyway.

  To expose the faulty basis for 1914 in the Watchtower would remove the only vestige of god-magic it can muster.

  I get the impression that for very many years, among the upper echelons, belief in 1914 whether true or not, is a sort of in-house code for fidelity to the GB, it almost seems masonic.
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  The Evils of Aluminum

  by NeonMadman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  aluminum was an issue that became a real “tempest in a teapot” for the watchtower.

  it influenced their teaching for almost 50 years and, frankly, created an impression among observers that their members were off-the-wall fanatics.

  for all those years, the golden age and other watchtower publications took the position that aluminum cookware and utensils were one of the great health hazards of the 20th century.

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  Half banana

  Well said Scratchme.

  Aluminium is after all the third most abundant element on our planet (by weight) after oxygen and silicon, brought to us lovingly by the same god who thought we would "also enjoy" beryllium, arsenic, mercury and plutonium.
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  Revelation already fulfilled

  by stockholm_Syndrome in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it appears to me revelation was 'fulfilled' 1st century and we are fooling ourselves to think it applies to present times .

  let's start with the opening statement:.

  a revelation by jesus christ, which god gave him,+ to show his slaves+ the things that must shortly take place.. hmm-- shortly take place ?

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  Any book which needs to say "These words are faithful and true" is a dead give away that the words are spurious.
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  wt on a slide, " 1914's generation is not only overlapping, but also composite.

  by prologos in

  1. social
  2. humour

  doctrines projected by wt writers can be compared to the slides in the old carousel slide shows, the jw audience was kept in the dark, but the next images' bright filtered new light had their rapt attention.

  often these doctrine images came around again but modified, often totally changed, turned upside down.

  think superior authorities, resurrection ----, .

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  Half banana

  They are definitely on a slide Prologos--- but never transparent.

  I think the "Overlapping 1914 generation" should feature on the gravestone of the Watchtower organisation.
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  Melbourne Victoria Circuit Assembly Figures

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. social
  2. current

  hi all, kind of news i suppose.. fyi, 10/12/2016 at melton assembly hall.

  1,266 in attendance.. two 15 yo, one male one female baptised.. costs for the day, $6,951:00 .

  before costs contribution to sydney branch office from last assembly surplus $3,000:00. jtg.

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  Half banana

  Very encouraging Jonastourguide! I loved the bit that wots wrong, is the JWs have lost their former infatuation. (It never was love). I'm sure this is apparent in the contribution boxes.

  The problems assailing the GB must play out in the congregations. Gloom is contagious! Little increase apart from born-ins in the western world just goes to show that the organisation is becoming a hollow shell. It resembles the old org but is becoming empty.
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  OT - Pork was unclean... NT Now it's not?

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this always baffled me.

  either pork is unclean and wrong to eat forever, or it was a load of bull to begin with..

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  Half banana

  Cold steel you are watching the wrong videos!

  This man's brain is toxic, not surprising since he obviously has been fed only on the BIble.

  Lobster, crab and crispy pork--- life enhancing and utterly delicious!
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  Do any of the governing body of JWs exercise their conscience?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the members of the governing body, by being at the reins of a large corporation, must be confronted with situations which force them to think about the validity of their doctrines.. the australian royal commission hearing must have highlighted for the gb, especially jackson, the rational inconsistency of using an iron age dictum of "two witnesses" in a world which has moved beyond such rough justice.

  today we have a scientific approach, we examine forensically, we have psychologists who can tell us about individual's minds and behaviour.

  today, children's voices are not ignored.. the first and last resort of jws and their leaders is the doctrine of the "inerrancy of the bible".

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  I had a similar thought this morning Zeb that all institutions and cults evolve, flourish and eventually die. As in Hitler's case, Nazism died in a bunker with its chief proponent committing suicide.

  Any cult only serves the interests and the egos of its leaders. . . usually they are sociopaths, narcissists and ideologically fixated.

  When their ideology becomes exposed for its fraudulence the last resort of the leadership is to demand unquestioning loyalty. The JW cult has already done it. Isn't this how cultists die with this demand ringing in their ears?

  Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult run by egoists who are able to suppress the urgings of their natural conscience.
  
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  Do any of the governing body of JWs exercise their conscience?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the members of the governing body, by being at the reins of a large corporation, must be confronted with situations which force them to think about the validity of their doctrines.. the australian royal commission hearing must have highlighted for the gb, especially jackson, the rational inconsistency of using an iron age dictum of "two witnesses" in a world which has moved beyond such rough justice.

  today we have a scientific approach, we examine forensically, we have psychologists who can tell us about individual's minds and behaviour.

  today, children's voices are not ignored.. the first and last resort of jws and their leaders is the doctrine of the "inerrancy of the bible".

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  Half banana

  @ Island man, an interesting concept: the distinction between conscience and a "Bible trained" conscience.

  The latter no doubt referring to where the brain has been rewired by the JW org.

  Nevertheless the expression "Bible trained conscience" does imply that a superior conscience is available if you join JWs.

  By leaving behind your natural conscience and applying your new BTC, however foolhardy you might be in losing your life by refusing a blood transfusion for example, it will get you having God's approval, or so you were led to believe. It would then be too late to say "I wish I had used my natural conscience instead."

  "Bible trained consciences" should come with a health warning.
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  Do any of the governing body of JWs exercise their conscience?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the members of the governing body, by being at the reins of a large corporation, must be confronted with situations which force them to think about the validity of their doctrines.. the australian royal commission hearing must have highlighted for the gb, especially jackson, the rational inconsistency of using an iron age dictum of "two witnesses" in a world which has moved beyond such rough justice.

  today we have a scientific approach, we examine forensically, we have psychologists who can tell us about individual's minds and behaviour.

  today, children's voices are not ignored.. the first and last resort of jws and their leaders is the doctrine of the "inerrancy of the bible".

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  Half banana

  "Look at how much we've got right". What! What! Losch reinforcing his newspeak with an emotional hug contact. Yuch! Show me one thing the JW org have got right; 1914? The governing body is chosen by holy spirit? We are in the last days? All of it unprovable. . .

  There is nothing I can think of which indicates divine intercession in favour of any privileged and useful information given to the GB. Not anything EVER!

  There is not one useful thing which the JW org has got right which other people have not come up with.

  There is absolutely nothing worthwhile which the JW org has ever said which is worth changing course for.............. They have proved to be a bunch of delusional loonies.

  The Watchtower: spouting nonsense since 1879.
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  OT - Pork was unclean... NT Now it's not?

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this always baffled me.

  either pork is unclean and wrong to eat forever, or it was a load of bull to begin with..

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  Half banana

  Doesn't matter what it is but any community taboo unites people driven to carry it out.